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VCS- fthl reus, i the fort- ckir, tit IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. ; '- ORDERS IN COUNCIL. - lotd AciABattted,thaUi)ob!efrieiid & (Lord Grenville) whose' tbxnce, . oa Cmt of Mi, h h d to rcgrct. but UeUlni would not he hoped be of long b ihould hare dial Mil lb. i4 J t in every trtwre or ippwuse 10 m riuof Sr Arthur Vellcle)v Hit nob.e ni bad also rrqoerted him to move, that Lord be summoned for this day fortnight, en it wu tH tnUmkn of hit jwble friend brbj forward a motion to add rem hit Ma fr toVadnd the Orden in Council and found thM rnotion upon the letter which 3 been piiftihed trom trrPtncineTTthe ,ierican Miniterr to our Government j j the tnwer of the Secretary of State.4 Ion the Ikut nd hU LonUhip, there w moved for- ihe productwn of the cor i)ondenre between the Minikten oT the twd 'firernmenU, " - "i--.-s Tbe Earl of LiVi i rootwtthed to confine !e proitucilon of papen to those which had ... . . a. . - puo.uhrapy ine vmencan uorenunnw, obtcrved. that no communication was le toTrliamnt Tepehif Amttka be use Mir exiting relaiMns with ttne unitea ,t were ix in that tute wbtch would aa xe such cttrout!caUoo. r Lord EiiKtitx eipremtl his decided o liniiin, that if Hie propoaiiknv cf the Anierl ?an Government, mpect'mj the reacinding i.j n.t-. in frmnl-H. mm mrA I A. there ould.be war between tlte United States and ranre in a nxith. - '- ; Ird A t cai-Aiip moved, that there be laid r.w ili ll.-trf rniilnhr 'rtindtnf urh jorTTporlence as mar hare taken place be wen his Majesty's Kl miners and the Go eminent of the United States of America. root January, 1 5u A treed iov-4 ?.:: v AMEHIC.V.VWi;:..; Toe order of dy being mored. Lord GrtnvKIe-rtH tolriiir lorwardhia or eapected rnotwn for the repeal of the Orders in Council, as fir as they affect the, United Statet of America. , His Lordship be Saab calling to the recollection of th House, the opinion he liad InvariAWy expressed du 'ring the cnurc of Uie bat session on that 'subject t thelntcntlon he had avowed of bring. ing forward a nvidoo grounded on the evl dmee then recentlr taken at the bar. and whkh mVm-onld.)uve.breii similar in ma rv mnecti to that which he shou5d hate the hmtr this dar of submittinr to their Lord shini If he had foe borne to bring forward that rnntiou, k was brcattse reports had gone abroad at the time, grateful to his foeangs as, if realiacd, they hate proved beneficial t- Uie Interests of the country, vis. that Mi tiiftrrs had aherrd their mind respecting A Tnenca, and were disposed to resert to roca surrt less calculated to alienate from iis tlte good dpaiiii of the American goernn.t ami perple, Sorry lie was that such ft pom had n foundation in fact Sorry he was that his Majesty government should have per isted in a ivstcm, which he bad no neuta tmn in uvkie was a direct violation cf the laws of rmiiom, a flagrant Infringement of the eternal principles of junicel l Such is the light in which he had all alone considered (that system i but wlien he found it ncrsevcred In after the prnposatW the Amerka go s emmcnt in Aocnt last, he must now, more over, designate it as an act of the most egre- ginus tony, the reult of the most unexam iJledngnorancc.ln Aoro last,-America proposed to rou to reneal or innd her Em 's Mr Hi iin ireira nr uincamnicnx. Ml . . . . . . you wou;a rescind your Orders in Council as rar as tliey a fleeted the commerce of Ame 1 rica. That troDoition vnu have rticcted. nd you find by rejecting it, you Incur the o- uiuni una me niame of oetng the cause of tne Embargo, and of the continuance of all the evil. rntuMimi ... A li il... lias been argued open this question, and all that lie had advanced respecting It at difTer nt times it was In no means hit Intention tow to repent it. He should confine himself !imly Jo the statement of two nurstwms via J as it Jint, politic, and wise, to refue the tirer made by America in Aogust last, and thereby proWg the existence of the evils that must arie from the present atate of our relations with America I Or, Is It prudent, now to revise that fatal dettmdnatlon, and rcTuni wsrmixletvcoiujCils and Ims haanioos measures T lv the uniust and sYiahicfuTbf 6 j .. ' . t . -- r muT we ni adopted,: we put a stop to the -.neutrality of Europe, we enabled the enemy tnnre rlUctualh; to exclude our commerce . jrom Uie cwu01 than perhaps ht tver Imagined he should be abTe to effect t but A roerica suu remainea, ana opened to us in nother quarter of the globe, a mart for all our commodities,-a supply of all the materi als of our industry, from which the enemy, with ail his immense power on the continent of Europe, had no, means of debarring us. Yet, instead of pursuing a policy that must have attached America to our alliance and our interests, we have done every thing to enflame and exasperate her, every thing to estrange . her affections, and indispose us to wards her interests, buch is the direct ten dency of the policy which his Majesty's pre sent Ministers seem revived to pursue. How diCcrent is it from that which the wisdom of Mr. Pitt adopted m the year 1783, which since that period has been pursued and acted upon, which, when he had the honor of be ing recalled to his Majesty's Councl s, he had endeavored to re-establish, by the adjustment nf a commercial treaty, founded upon the reciprocal interests of the two nations. But now; Instead of cultivating tiiat connection r Instead of fostering that system of reciproci- ty, it would appear ia btr mwme ptsm or Minuters to alienate America, and force her Into the arms of France. If this was impoli tic and unwise from the beginning, how much' must it be less so since the met ot America, in Aunist listv Kesnectmj; the nature of that. jwU-r, the strongest misreprrsentauons have been made. It has been asserted in that House, that Us her negocJations with France and this ttjuntiyi respecting the repeal of the I- rench decrees, and of our Orders in Council, America had manifested is decided partiality mi favor of France.' By these as sertions, he had himself been entrapped into a belief that they were well founded, and in consequence of that conviction, he had made use of expressions respecting men and mea sures, which be was now most anxta to re tract, Wht could be the motive of the pm representauons of this matter which was io easily sent abroad, and so industriously pro pagated, be would not take upon ntmscu to uy bat he felt it bis duty tuly and accu rately to inform himself upon the subject, and xb rrsult of I.ia enquiries has abutidamty sa tUCed him that the misrepresentations he al luded to, had nothing in the world to warrant them, lie should undertake to prove that not only the jrords of Jhe Iresident of the Uaited States relative Ao the pending neeb ciatlons, were misrepresented, but that from irrefragable documents he wttild demonstrate that there were no rrounds whatsoever tor the charge oTpartlality on the part of Ame rica towanls France, to the prejudice of this country. The noble Lord then proceeded to read the passage in the speech of the Presi dent of the United States to Congress, which related to the negocutions with the two go vernments ff France and England. The noble Lord also read a report made by Congress, in answer to the r resident's address, and argued, both from the text of the speech, .and the comment upon it, the re port to prove thai, Instead of an partiality towards France, the terms proposed were Wher mote favorable to Englandt.Thejenor. of the instructions from the American Uo vertiment to their Ministers at Paris and at Lbnilon; the noble Lord likewise referred to, as containing still stronger proofs of the Im partiality of America, or rather of her in clination to side sooner with Englandthan with France). From all these documents it appeared, and it was put in a still stronger lifcht in a letter from Mr. Canning to Mr. Pinckney, (which, however, docs not appear among the papers on the table) that Ameri ca held out nearly the same terms, couched nearly in Uie same language, toboth govern mentsto France she obaeryedV that if the French government did not repeal Jtbetr de crees, while England revoked her Orders In Council, America must be forced into s con test with France In other passages ot the correspondence, the word War" wasxex pressly made use of. Indeed not only a per fect impartiality respecting the two governv ments appear to guide the proceedings of America, but a fair and full consideration of them would induce every unprejudiced mind to think,, instead of much " belngoffered to France, and little, to England, that the re verse was the casc and that much had been tTered to England and little to France. By listening to the offer in August last, England might have secured two advantages the re peal of the Embargo, and the next to cer talntv. of ha vine America as an ally in a war gainst France ; while France, in thi first instance, had the offer of but one advantage these were considerations which he could not too stronelv recommend to the serious at tention of their Lordshins. Let the offer of America made in August last, be candidly HtmsWered let the advants ges of embracing it, and the evils that must result from reject ing it, be maturely weighed. Thia was the treat object he had in view, and to which he must Again implore the serious attention of their Lordships. In order to attain that ob ject, he should now move an humble address to bis Majesty, the drift of which was to pray his 'Majesty would be rradotssly pleased, white the door for negotiation still open, to adopt such measurcs as might tend to re store our wonted relations with America; and to re-establish the former footing of our commercial intercourse xwih that country. The address moved by the noble Lord was wenr longl, and refers to roost of the trans actions' which have taken place between this country and America, for the last two years. Lord Dathurtt answered the noble mover, and went into a detail of all his arguments ; he contened, that the Orders in Council arose of necessity from the French Decrees, and said, that so for from their being the cause of the American Embargo, that in fact the Or ders in Council were not known in America until the 26th of December, and before that 4a die Xmbargo had taken place,:. He next; adverted to the accounts laid on the table, and insisted that-they proved wehadsuflered no diminution in our revenue,' in consequence fthi AMwntercouraa thing' totally distinct from the mbargo. V ith respect to the want'of flax-seed,' that the nc ble Lord had stated was an hremediable mis chitf for the hnen ; manufacture of Ireland. It -wastrue, tbatatthe present moment -it m'ghtoccas'mn inconveniance, but that wou'd only be of a temporary pressure,' for large Quantities -werein our. own settlements in IKortS .America j but at present it as frozen up ii the river Sc. Lawrence, and could not nrrive until June, which certainly would be too late for the present sowing.' season It was, however, an evil not likely to recur, because, in addition to this supply, large tracts in Ireland were now sown with seed designed purposely for future . sowings. It would also appear, by reference, to thepaA prrs before the House, that, although in con sequence of the Embargo, and- the ports be ing shut in the Baltic, that the importation from them had been but small $ yet to coun terbalance h, we had imported from our own colony of Canada, more of timber, lumber! and all those articles which we usually ob tained from the closed ports, than we had before imported from those states. This, he need nut say, was one advantage arising from the Embargo, as It led us to improve our own resources, and rendered us independent. His Lordhhip then adverted to the justice and ex pediency of the Orders, .and argued, that they were perfectly accordinr to the law of nations and that h was the necessary con sequence of the state of warfare,-that neu trals must suffer, in the enjoyment of their commerce, when their neighbors were en gaged tn a wartare. - , . : Lard Sldmouf A defended the legality of the order, of the ,17th of ; January, lSOoj which related torthe coasting trade, which he said a neutral had no right to carry on for the be ne ft of one of the belligerents, at the ex- pence of the other. For a neutral could ac quire no new" rights by the state of war j and that jwat trade which in peace he could not pursue. But he Insisted that a new aera a, rose in the question whtn the A mericans ; of fered to rescind their Embargo, with respect toust and continue it with respect to France if we could abandon our Orders in Council, he tW then it became the duty of this country to attempt conciliation, 8c to that pacific propo sition we ought to assume a suitable clispoUtiori to conciliation. I le insisted, that as it was not done, Ministers had shewn a hostile disposi tion,and therefore he concurred in the mo tion of his honorable friend. w-:r v. Lhrd Mchilte said he should not intrude upon their Lordship's time ; but ha wished to sbservr, that the question seemed to be wholly misunderstood, both by the noble mo ver and, the noble viscount (Sidmouth.) The one laid that his object was to discuss the en tire merits "of the case ; the other, that he was desirous of submitting to the motion of his Majesty the distrust he fcit of the per sons at the head of governmont the former alluJing tn the transactions, and the latter to thost wnowere concerned in conducting them. He Lord Melville) should have thought It mor manly to have taken a direct course, Instead; of attempting to pass a vote of cen shreho blended, in which the real design was Rendered obscure.. He resisted this ad dres( because it was an unnecessary Interpo sition of the House during a negotiation now pcnxlng with the United States. Other me- tivesi, he had forXoppoaing the motion of the rtobld Baron, whkh he would briefly explain t The origin of the Orders In Council was the Edicts of Berlin, which violated all the ma ritime rights which had been- recognized in Europe for centuries. The first proceeding In consequeoco of those Edicts, was on the had been misanbfeSeTided.' The rule hrwe jarar of jrj5 was supposed to be the effect of m . Sl.--. .L "Si tne umers in council i out u mis were an, the Order itself would have been unproductive and nugatory j if such were the whole result, it , would have been incompetent toencounter with the Berlin Decrees, which extended not only to ' France, but to all nations dependent uxxi her. ' authority. The rule of the war ot 1756 might " met ely W considered as a ccA&tingr jrrgulati . on the Orders in Council were' founded onu the just principle of retaliation, and so they were correctly explained in Lord Howick a . admirable letter on the subject. He (Lord . -Melville) had1 stated that the Berlin edicts were a yielatkxi of all mariume and neutral rights. But there were" neutral 'duties ; as -" well as neutral rights. A neutral state should hold the balance even between the belliger ent powers ; and if (his duty were neglected, the neutral rights would be forfeited. Lord Howick properly contemplated these duties, and seeing the preference which must be gi -ven to France under the, operation of the e dicts, he properly observed, that he could not rescind the Orders in Council until these edicts werefevctedT'a jy that under any circum&tancts, to abandon the Orders in Council would be, to resign the " - best principles of Our mantime tights. W hy . "should nbUKesev f Cxaild the flim coriTspcdente b GenrArmstTongatidThe Frenchmlnlster at" Paris, vindicate their surrender f ,-'. ' " -It was noLWoncVr lhalFrance wasmortifi ed and America disappointed ; for , before the salutary operation of the Order in Coun cii, the whole produce of the colonies of the former was'conveyed to Europe tyi the ship Tmg of the latter.-'- lae Orders in uouncu had undergone a long and laborious discussi on ; and unless their Lordships meant to a band on all that they before respected, they would not now repeal them, unless, admitting the measure to be correct, they had seen so much mischief in the mode of Its execution; as to obstruct all its beneficial tendency. '" But no such objection had been r&entinned, and he believed no sucbLjrxibted.l, It was said, that by the correspondence ei the table between Mr. Pinckney and Mr. Canning, it appeared that if the Orders in Council were rescinded,' the Embargo would be withdrawn. Were we on such a proposal, to desert what ' was considered so essential toF the preserva Uonof our maritime rights ? Were we on - such an obscure intimation, to resign what we and our predecessors in office deemed to be so important to our highest interests Mle was r.o advocate for prrjudicing America God, forbid that he should ever consider that the adversity of America was the prosperity of Great-Britain ; On the contrary bethought that the prosperity F of the ; one was now, :. and would be for " a long " while, highly Cnnducjve to the welfare f the other, ft all Asia,' and Africa, and all Europe, this kingdom : excepted, were with America, and tluV country against her, it would not be as advantageous a situation forher as it we were -with her, and all the rest of the globe opposed to her, and he hoped : that she would so far understand her true in' trrests, and shew her correct view of thent by her future conduct " towards- us. -Never -was there a period more favorable to a close union bet ween Grest-Britanrand theAme -rican States, than the present, (hear 1 hear !) but this desirable purpose was not to be oh- . tained hy revoking the Orders in Council on the feeble grounds now stated. He could not v coincide with the noble mover, because he could not on this occasion condemn ministers without applying the aame condemnation to their Lordships, who had deliberately sanc tioned the measure represented in this ad dress as unjust and impolitic. t - , - Lord Aucklandy in reply to the last speak er, observed, that the treaty to which he at ; tendedrwas in point of-faet concluded; tho not formally published, before any question arose about the Berlin Decree. T v The Lore CfumctUor took a. review of the . history of the proceedings jvhich led to the " Berlin Decree, the Orders in Council, and the Embargo.,- He insisted that it was evi dent the whole was meant to destroy us, through the medium of our commerce, being found unassailable in other points. v Zora Ertkint condemned the measures of the administration, and argued, if we had a dopted the ofler made by Mr, Pinckney, wo . alw&ld have opened an amicable intercourse with America ; and that France must either have recalled her decrees, or have been for ced Into a state ot hostility with America. Lord IJvcrftool went through the docu ments before the house, awl argued that the Americans had acted with ucreat partiality. " He cited the instructions to the ambassadors in England and France, and agreed In was evident that they wished to aid the latter to pursue every hostile . measure against usg1 . provided onlyi they would relax a little ; but from us they demanded nothing' short of a pnfremrtwyallsTOQ jcclers, ,wJ ly then , . then adverted to the stateof our West-Indie t and said the Embargo bad" proeil h t le fore was never believed, narcclj-, that put ,i :? "it rn .iIW-3 a u, :'''.. - ...vx JS..tfJta'a.-."e-,t:. Ai!,ja....iAc.i ...... .t- - .. -... - ' ' 7; . - '. . - v -r. -'MmiwaKiemaitm3MsA'K
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